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the Moon and Saturn in Dynamic Aspect

Astrological aspects: general introduction

The analysis of a natal chart must be as comprehensive as possible. This is what we do as we make our personalized reports available in our e-shop. It must be borne in mind that many astrologers concentrate on the interpretation of planets in signs and in houses, and of angles, without paying enough attention to aspects. On the contrary, we believe that when aspects involve personal planets between themselves or slow-moving planets, they are of fundamental importance. In all cases, they are at least as significant as the Ascendant or the Sun. This is particularly relevant when the orb is tight (i.e. when the aspect is exact). This is the criterion we apply for this new series of articles which describe how well-known personalities experience certain aspects.

The Moon and Saturn in challenging aspect

Let us give the seat of honor to the Moon, who is so important in characterology and describes our private world. As such, she expresses our emotions, our instinct, and our needs. She shows how the chart's owner experiences his childhood, how he integrates the unconscious part of himself which often, but not always, stems from his upbringing.

The Moon symbolizes the feminine archetype, especially the relationship with the mother. She speaks volumes about the woman one becomes in a female chart; she defines the integrated feminine part and/or the wife or the love partner in a masculine chart.

She delineates the specificity of our sensibility which manifests more or less visibly and more or less regularly, similarly to this celestial body, recognizable by its instability and its swiftness which can be compared to its changing appearances in the sky day after day.

The Moon also expresses the spontaneity – or the embarrassment – of our daily mood and even the mood of the moment, as well as its quality.

Saturn is almost the opposite of this changing nature. He is the last planet of our solar system visible to the naked eye. The Ancients considered that Saturn was in touch with a cold and hardly reachable world, and that his inhabitants had this type of personality.

Beyond the "flaws" of this planet, who has not always enjoyed a good reputation, people having the Sun powerfully influenced by Saturn (or having the features of Saturn that we all have) demonstrate rigor and moral sense. They are demanding and need to behave according to the rules. Anything they build stands the test of time, since Saturn is the friend of time.

Moreover, their logic enables them to know where their limits are. The proverb "necessity knows no laws" illustrates very well the characteristics of Saturn who builds walls, for better or for worse.

The Moon-Saturn combination in dynamic mode (which means in aspects sometimes considered to be negative), constitutes quite a challenge.

Although it is different depending on the aspect, it is easy to interpret it through the way we react to events in the instant. We are dealing with a distant person who does not make friends spontaneously. There is also a sort of melancholy, of sadness, or even of gloominess which remains as a backdrop, in addition to whatever the other planetary dominants may be.

This person matures rapidly and may feel crushed by the weight of his responsibilities or by excessively high objectives, even though he set them himself.

Rather pessimistic by nature, he never relies on good luck, but constantly on his personal efforts. To achieve one's goal by the sweat of one's brow is an expression that he endorses. However, his needs are very frugal, and he may have some sacrificial tendencies.

There are other typical traits of this aspect which are probably less known such as a form of avidity resulting from a feeling of scarcity impossible to fill as compensation somehow. This situation brings about frustrations, self-punishment, censorship or various deprivations.

In the context of this article, we are discussing the square (90°), which corresponds to the emblematic friction between two confronting forces, as well as the opposition (180°), which indicates twinges between opposite impulses.

Whatever happens, it must be reminded that in all cases, dynamic aspects enable to grow and to become wiser if they are well - understood and above all, well-assimilated. They represent a challenge, but also a force and an asset, as soon as their functioning is under control, often at maturity, even though it is not always easy.

Here, with the Moon and Saturn, the objective is to try to remain spontaneous, fresh, and optimistic, while keeping one's capacity to build one's projects and personal life for a long time.

In order to better explain this aspect, we are mentioning several well-known personalities, here Marilyn Monroe (square), Anthony Hopkins (square), Coco Chanel (square), and Matthew Perry (opposition). This article deliberately isolates the aspect (a square or an opposition) so as to better describe them. For this reason, it claims on no account to be a psychological analysis of the celebrity in question, for whom many other articles are available in the "Focus" section.

It is possible to find thousands of other horoscopes having the Moon in aspect of square or opposition with Saturn (or any other aspects), with the online tool search. The planets, positions in sign and in house as well as the orb, are configurable.

Marilyn Monroe

Marilyn Monroe / Author : Studio publicity still 1953 / CC BY-SA (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)

The ultimate incarnation of sex-appeal, Marilyn Monroe had a vulnerable personality that the world had learned to know. Her feelings of insecurity date back to her childhood. Perhaps this was what gave rise to her exacerbated power of seduction, as a compensation.

We are aware that she has not known her father, and that her mother, who was unable to raise her, had to put her in a foster home. Monroe did not have a happy childhood. She was shunted from one family to another, and underwent mistreatments and privations. These facts symbolize a square between Saturn in Scorpio in the 4th House (roots, family home) and the Moon in an angle in Aquarius in the 7th House (relationship).

The chart is all the more interesting that the Moon is also in conjunction with Jupiter (an orb of 7°), which might have allowed Monroe to develop a real joie de vivre. Saturn's influence (an orb of 2° only) has always prevented this, because his aspect is tighter and he gained the upper hand.

When she reached adolescence, she was anxious to become emancipated and to rely on her own assets. The cinema appeared to her like a big family capable to meet the needs of her sensitivity (emotional Moon and Aquarius, the sign of the 7th art). However, despite her brilliant success, the star often remained very lonely.

None of her three marriages could satisfy her longing for stability. This is explained by the tense aspect between the Moon and Saturn, but also by the opposition with Neptune in the 1st House (the most important house).

Neptune completes the two other planets' work and keeps on confronting Monroe to constant and unexplainable disillusions.

Monroe is a good illustration of the risks this configuration entails when it is not well experienced. Monroe's Moon in an angle and prevailing left her totally passive compared to a particularly virulent Saturn in Scorpio.

Marilyn Monroe
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Author:
Credits: Page 39
Licence: Public domain
Date of birth
Tuesday, June 1, 1926
City of birth
Los Angeles (CA) (United States)
Leo
Gemini
Aquarius
Neptune
Sun
Moon
DominantDom. Planets
7
11
8
Air
Fire
DominantDom. Elements
Chinese astrological sign
Fire Tiger
7
Birth Path
Height
5' 6" (1m68) tall
Biography of Marilyn Monroe (excerpt)
Marilyn Monroe (born Norma Jeane Mortenson; June 1, 1926 – August 4, 1962) was an American actress. Famous for playing comedic "blonde bombshell" characters, she became one of the most popular sex symbols of the 1950s and early 1960s, as well as an emblem of the era's sexual revolution. She was a top-billed actress for a decade, and her films grossed $200 million (equivalent to $2 billion in...

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Astrology: horoscope and birth chart of Marilyn Monroe (Placidus) Image taken from the horoscope, birth chart and astrological portrait of Marilyn Monroe, born June 1, 1926, 9:30 AM, Los Angeles (CA) (United States) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 19° 06' 26° 50' 20° 44' 29° 00' 21° 44' 28° 45' 00' 47' 10° 27' 13° 23' 16° 54' 12° 50' 13° 04' 22° 13' 21° 26'

Anthony Hopkins

Anthony Hopkins / Author :  gdcgraphics 09-2010 / CC BY-SA (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)

Let us stay in Hollywood with an actor whose Moon and Saturn are also in tense aspect. Since the Sun is in Capricorn, Saturn is the strongest planet in Anthony Hopkins' chart.

In Pisces, Saturn has a hard time finding his clear limits, and he struggles against the Moon in Sagittarius who gives him itchy feet and dynamism. It must be remembered that when he was a child, like other people having this aspect, Hopkins went through difficulties. Owing to his dyslexia, schooling was delicate and brought him a few setbacks that he had overcome thanks to the tricks of his trade.

Therefore, it is most likely that, as far as Hopkins is concerned, he managed to sublimate this aspect through the cinema. We all remember his extraordinary part as a psychopathic cannibal, Hannibal Lecter, in The Silence of the Lambs (as well as in the other parts of this first opus.)

The actor has been extremely good in other films and often attracted the favor of the public as he portrayed melancholic characters or those going through difficulties like in The Father, for which he won Best Actor Oscar for the Leading Role.

As we see, Hopkins has been able to show us that it is possible to get out of this tricky aspect on a high note. Since he is a good Capricorn with a strong willpower, everything improves for him as he reaches maturity.

Anthony Hopkins
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Date of birth
Friday, December 31, 1937
City of birth
Port Talbot (United Kingdom)
Capricorn
Pisces
Cancer
Saturn
Pluto
Jupiter
DominantDom. Planets
12
11
1
Earth
Water
DominantDom. Elements
Chinese astrological sign
Fire Ox
9
Birth Path
Height
5' 9" (1m75) tall
Biography of Anthony Hopkins (excerpt)
Sir Philip Anthony Hopkins CBE (born 31 December 1937 (birth time source: Dave Hayward from himself)) is a Welsh actor, composer, director and film producer. He is the recipient of multiple accolades, including an Academy Award, three BAFTAs, two Emmys and the Cecil B. DeMille Award. In 1993, he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II for services to the arts. Hopkins received a star on the Hollywood...

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Astrology: horoscope and birth chart of Anthony Hopkins (Placidus) Image taken from the horoscope, birth chart and astrological portrait of Anthony Hopkins, born December 31, 1937, 9:15 AM, Port Talbot (United Kingdom) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 29° 25' 21° 08' 26° 39' 53' 18° 06' 24° 05' 58' 17' 27' 18' 22° 40' 30' 18' 29° 07' 51'

Coco Chanel

Coco Chanel / Author : Los Angeles Times 03-1931 / CC BY-SA (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)

The case of Gabrielle Chasnel, also known as Coco Chanel, is particularly interesting. She was the founder of the prestigious and eponymous fashion house. She was born in 1883, and she is among the personalities who have significantly promoted the emancipation of women. To this aim, she showed the example of a fulfilling career, and she imagined timeless clothes which transgressed the codes.

In her natal chart, the Moon in Pisces in the 2th House (skills and values) is in square with Saturn in Gemini in the 5th House, which translates into several manners in her life. First, she could never rely on her mother, because, exhausted by her hard labour, she died precociously. Her father was unconcerned about his responsibilities as a father. He gave no more news, and hurt forever the little Gabrielle who adored him.

It is interesting to note that she did not accept the truth and gave as a pretext that he was on a business trip in the United States. This sort of mythomania is actually a flaw typical of the Moon frustrated in Pisces. Afterwards, when she was staying in an orphanage, she slowly learnt to live with very little, and at the same time, she acquired sewing skills. One might as well say that we are still in the middle of the characteristics of this aspect, particularly regarding Saturn in the 5th House.

When she was exposed to the hardship of her first experiences, Gabrielle, who has become Coco, showed that she was ambitious and difficult to get along with.

In addition, we know that during the war, she collaborated with the enemy, and that she was openly anti-Semite. On that subject, a former friend declared: "Jews or not Jews, she couldn't care less. She was an egocentric woman who had no empathy for the human gender, who despised the Germans as much as the Resistants and de Gaulle."

In brief, Chanel had genius and went down in history (which illustrates Saturn's long-lasting actions), but she has not been able to enjoy her revenge on destiny. Deep down, she has always kept a certain sourness and a despise that she expressed rapidly against anything which did not belong to her way of seeing things. Moreover, she has not had any children.

Coco Chanel
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Date of birth
Sunday, August 19, 1883
City of birth
Saumur (49) (France)
Leo
Gemini
Sagittarius
Mars
Jupiter
Sun
DominantDom. Planets
8
6
7
Fire
Air
DominantDom. Elements
11
Birth Path
Height
5' 6½" (1m69) tall
Biography of Coco Chanel (excerpt)
Gabrielle Bonheur "Coco" Chanel (19 August 1883 – 10 January 1971) was a French fashion designer and businesswoman. The founder and namesake of the Chanel brand, she was credited in the post-World War I era with popularizing a sporty, casual chic as the feminine standard of style. This replaced the "corseted silhouette" that was dominant beforehand with a style that was simpler, far less time...

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Astrology: horoscope and birth chart of Coco Chanel (Placidus) Image taken from the horoscope, birth chart and astrological portrait of Coco Chanel, born August 19, 1883, 4:00 PM, Saumur (49) (France) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 14° 49' 23° 03' 17° 32' 26° 17' 14° 55' 22° 01' 07' 29° 39' 41' 29° 36' 11° 30' 21° 05' 11' 07' 27° 07'

Matthew Perry

Matthew Perry / Author : flickr.com/policyexchange/photos/11418684765 12-2013 / CC BY-SA (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)

The general public mainly knows Matthew Perry for his embodiment of the kind Chandler in the Friends series. Yet, when he was younger, his dream was to achieve a sports career, as a tennis player more precisely, which is not surprising for a double Leo having Mars in Sagittarius.

A few defeats as well as drug issues rapidly turned him away from sports. It was probably the effect of Saturn, in an angle on the Midheaven and in Taurus, in tense aspect with the Ascendant, and in opposition with the Moon in Scorpio in the 4th House.

Nevertheless, after this first huge disappointment, he did not give up the self-destructive tendencies which incited him to indulge in various addictions.

It is a blessing that they have not stopped him from pursuing a career as an actor. Recently, he acknowledged that his behavior had sometimes led him into ludicrous situations, which is quite logical with the Moon challenged in Scorpio, and her excesses which send Perry diving very low.

It is true that in his chart, the planet forms only harsh aspects. He went extremely far in the consumption of drugs and alcohols, and underwent many detox treatments, one after the other.

To his discharge, we believe that Saturn in Taurus, an Earth sign, emphasized his stubborn tendencies and limited his adaptation capacity.

Fortunately, with maturity, he has been able to rely on other aspects of his chart to solve his issues. Among the supportive features, there were a harmonious Mars in trine with the Ascendant (energy), Jupiter in sextile on the same angle (robust health, and a certain optimism), a romantic and perfectly well-aspected Venus, and the Sun in trine with the Midheaven (willpower at the service of one's social and professional destiny).

Matthew Perry
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Date of birth
Tuesday, August 19, 1969
City of birth
North Adams (MA) (United States)
Leo
Scorpio
Virgo
Sun
Saturn
Mercury
DominantDom. Planets
1
4
2
Fire
Earth
DominantDom. Elements
Chinese astrological sign
Earth Rooster
7
Birth Path
Height
6' (1m83) tall
Biography of Matthew Perry (excerpt)
Matthew Langford Perry (August 19, 1969 – October 28, 2023) was an American-Canadian actor. He gained international recognition in the 1990s for playing Chandler Bing on the NBC television sitcom Friends (1994–2004) and earned a Screen Actors Guild Award for the role. Perry starred in the television series Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, and films including Fools Rush In, Almost Heroes, The...

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Astrology: horoscope and birth chart of Matthew Perry (Placidus) Image taken from the horoscope, birth chart and astrological portrait of Matthew Perry, born August 19, 1969, 4:47 AM, North Adams (MA) (United States) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 21° 18' 28° 10' 57' 29° 13' 18° 34' 10° 41' 12° 14' 26° 11' 19° 27' 23° 52' 03' 44' 40' 25° 59' 12° 13'