Sign InVenus and Neptune in challenging aspect
In this article, we study the effects of a dynamic aspect—also known as a challenging aspect or formerly as negative or dissonant—between Venus and Neptune on personality.
First, let's honor Venus, which rules the signs of Taurus and Libra. The planet is associated with emotional life, sensual pleasures, aesthetics, arts, and harmony in general. In an astrological chart, it represents the areas that please us and bring personal satisfaction. However, being very self-centered, this planet can also lead to a certain narcissism, whims, or even a nonchalance that can verge on laxity.
Associated with the god of the sea, Neptune governs Pisces. It rules the world of oceans, and by extension, that of great inspirations, dreams, psychological and artistic receptivity. From its perspective, the communion of heart and mind is essential, leading natives influenced by it to gather around common projects. However, the planet is often vague in its intentions, resulting in risks of confusion or illusion.
When Venus and Neptune are connected by a dynamic aspect such as a poorly supported conjunction, a square, or an opposition, the problems primarily concern the emotional life.
The natives affected maintain a romantic vision of their love lives, as if they were driven by a mystical quest.
The people on whom they set their sights do not always understand their approach, as they tend to idealize them, refusing to see the prosaic and everyday facets of a relationship.
This is why the risk of experiencing romantic disappointments is high, even though their stories often end rather ambiguously than with a clean break. Once again, the principle of reality is poorly understood.
It also happens that the aspect leaves its mark on artistic life. Individuals with this link between Venus and Neptune will draw from their torments to enrich their work, using their imagination and taste for beauty.
Moreover, the art world is full of masterpieces or simple productions that reflect these difficulties and romantic frustrations. As most of the time, it is possible to overcome this issue, especially if one can rely on other strengths to become less vulnerable in love.
In order to better explain this aspect, we are mentioning several well-known personalities. Here Marie-Antoinette d'Autriche (square), Andy Warhol (unfavorable conjunction), Gisčle Bündchen (opposition), and Charles Baudelaire (square).
This article deliberately isolates the aspect so as to better describe them. For this reason, it claims on no account to be a psychological analysis of the celebrity in question, for whom many other articles are available in the "Focus" section.
It is possible to find thousands of other horoscopes having Venus and Neptune in tense aspect (or any other aspects), with the online tool search. The planets, positions in sign and in house as well as the orb, are configurable.
Marie Antoinette of Austria
Marie Antoinette is a tragic and unique example in history of the influence of such a dynamic aspect between Venus and Neptune. Married at fourteen and becoming Queen of France, she had to leave her native country, Austria, to come to Paris where she was very coldly received.
Not speaking French well, she was perceived as a foreigner, chosen to be isolated and controlled. From Dauphine, she ascended to the throne at 18, and her union with the King remained platonic for seven years. Failing to produce an heir to the crown, she saw hostility towards her grow.
To probably compensate for her emotional shortcomings, she made lavish expenditures and immersed herself in a superficial court atmosphere.
In her chart, Venus is conjunct the Sun, indicating a personality sensitive to art and seduction. However, the planet forms a square with Neptune in Leo from its position in Scorpio. Two fixed signs are in conflict and, although Neptune's position is generational, in her case, being in Leo and in a bad aspect to Venus illustrates an issue of power and emotions.
It is very telling that her Neptune rules the Midheaven in Pisces, where Uranus is in culmination. Despite several beautiful aspects in her chart illustrating great sensitivity, this square between Venus and Neptune, as well as the link of this planet to Uranus in Pisces, explains the tragic outcome: she was guillotined.
Entangled in her role and clumsy, the poor sovereign was never understood.
She nevertheless consoled herself during her life by maintaining a secret love affair with Axel von Fersen, a Swedish count. After her death, a large correspondence was found, illustrating the intrigues, betrayals, and rescue attempts that marked their relationship.
Marie Antoinette
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Andy Warhol
An archetypal Leo native, Andy Warhol has a beautiful conjunction of Venus and Neptune in this sign in the 1st house (there is slight uncertainty about his birth time, which could result in a different house placement).
A talented artist, dandy, and intellectual, Andy Warhol left a significant mark on his era.
His creativity seems boundless, with two planets of aesthetics in a sign concerned with appearance and the effect it has on crowds. However, they are in conflict with Mars, a very precise aspect especially for Neptune, indicating clumsiness or hesitation in this area.
An openly gay man, empowered, Andy Warhol led a very festive love life. His second significant relationship was disrupted by the arrival of AIDS, which affected his partner.
He showed compassion during his partner's illness, accompanying him until his death. Andy Warhol then became actively involved in the fight against this scourge, which also influenced his work.
One could also mention his relationship with painter Basquiat, who did everything to meet him and with whom Warhol, fascinated, collaborated. Despite this, their professional relationship was marred by critics who accused Warhol of exploiting the young artist.
Nevertheless, Basquiat was inconsolable at Warhol's death. Once again, all the characteristics of this aspect, in its ambiguity that does not preclude talent, are present.
Andy Warhol
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Gisčle Bündchen
Despite becoming one of the most famous and highest-paid models in the world, Gisele Bündchen was not universally accepted when she was young. At school, she was teased for her thinness and given a bird nickname.
Even after winning the Elite Model Look contest, she was criticized for her prominent jawline and nose. In her chart, Venus is in Gemini and in the 6th house, signifying natural and accessible charm, opposed by Neptune.
The planet rules the Midheaven, representing her career, positioned in Libra, which corresponds to an artistic or beauty-related profession. Ultimately, the fashion world clamored for her, especially lingerie brands like Victoria's Secret, where her slenderness was highly prized.
When she reached the top, her relationship with DiCaprio stirred media interest. After their breakup, she admitted that her partner's daily excesses led to the end of their love, while she always prioritized a healthy lifestyle to maintain her aesthetic appeal.
She then believed she found happiness with Tom Brady, an American football player, but ended up divorcing after 13 years of marriage. In several interviews, the model became emotional, tearfully confessing that it felt like "the death of a dream."
There is probably no more appropriate way to describe a tense aspect between Neptune, in the 12th house, associated with trials, and Venus. In the future, the beautiful Gisele will need to learn to better protect her private life, having everything to gain by keeping it as simple and private as possible.
Gisele Bündchen
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Charles Baudelaire
In the cluster of planets in Aries in Charles Baudelaire's natal chart, Venus stands out by forming a square with Neptune conjunct Uranus in Capricorn and in the 4th house.
The planet governing Pisces is strong because it rules Mercury, associated with writing, as well as Pluto and the North Node.
The famous poet must have felt an enormous inner tension, which left a body of work of magnificent beauty for posterity.
Nourished by Romanticism, as noted by Michel Décaudin, the editor of the Anthology of 19th Century French Poetry, Charles Baudelaire experienced a difficult childhood, suffering from being shuffled between different homes and in opposition to his bourgeois family. He later mingled in the artistic and social circles of Paris, all while carrying his melancholy.
He also had numerous relationships with actresses or women who caused him suffering, seeking oblivion in artificial paradises.
These themes are central to his most well-known work, Les Fleurs du mal, which earned him both legal troubles and critical acclaim.
Le Spleen de Paris, published posthumously, is even darker, evoking emotional solitude and the nostalgia of a carefree life, evaporated into the limbo of memory, a beautiful illustration of this aspect.
Charles Baudelaire
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